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00100 1. There seems to be an implicit idea that each word has a finite number
00200 of senses that could be listed and that if the correct sense of each
00300 word were listed, the sentence would be understood or at least it
00400 could then be automatically translated. I would like to know where
00500 you stand on this point.
00600
00700 2. You are unfair to the Air Force MT program. Please find out
00800 (both for yourself and for me) what the current state of the
00900 Wright Field translation system is. What it does and how much
01000 translation it does. Is it still being improved or has it reached
01100 a static state? Is the program portable, i.e. could we get it.
01200
01300 3. I think you should reserve opinion on the correctness of this
01400 official epitaph.
01500
01600 4. My own position on MT is rather different from the "AI position"
01700 that you give. First of all, one should separate the question of
01800 learning a language as children to from the question of already
01900 knowing it. In my opinion, much of the motivation for having
02000 machines learn a language inductively comes from the difficulty
02100 in understanding what it is that the language knower knows. If
02200 we understood this better even for rather simple domains, it would
02300 be a matter of convenience whether we put our own knowledge of
02400 language in by hand or have the machine learn it. I think it will
02500 be easier to put the information in than to simulate the learning
02600 environment of a human from birth through school and college including
02700 formal education and interaction with family and peers.
02800
02900 Secondly, my position is that the knowledge we cannot yet
03000 express to the machine is, first of all, knowledge of the world
03100 rather than knowledge of language per se. This is why I like
03200 Winograd's thesis; it imbeds its knowledge of language in a
03300 knowledge of the world sufficient to successfully perform its
03400 tasks.
03500
03600 5. You exaggerate the success of ELIZA. In the example you give,
03700 non of the gross inadequacy of ELIZA is exhibited. Turing's test
03800 really should specify that the questioner who is attempting to
03900 detect the machine should not be naive, but should be generally
04000 familiar with the current state of AI if not with the idiosyncrasies
04100 of the particular program.
04200
04300 6. You say there is no complete solution to resolving the ambiguity
04400 of "the bar is closed, because the barman is sick" and cite the
04500 example where the bar is across the barman's driveway. This may
04600 be true if we look for the meaning of a word in a text, but I
04700 would argue that words and sentences are uttered in situations and
04800 not in contexts. You could construct many examples where knowing
04900 the context of a sentence does not resolve ambigutity, but where
05000 knowing the physical situation does.
05100
05200 7. The meaning of "psoriasis" cannot simply be "a chronic disease of
05300 the skin", because there are other chronic diseases of the skin.
05400 Dictionaries do not always give the complete meanings of words.
05500 To give the complete meaning of "psoriasis", it would be
05600 necessary to describe the symptoms, the microbe that causes it,
05700 and what it does to the tissues. Even then, the meaning would be
05800 relative to a certain public state of knowledge. Improved knowledge
05900 might lead to the disuse of the word as reflecting a confusion of
06000 several conditions. (To assign meanings to words, one must have
06100 not only metaphysics but also some epistemology).
06200
06300 8. Whenever someone quotes Godel's theorem for philosophical purposes,
06400 I get suspicious, and in your case, the suspicion seems justified.
06500 That truth of propositions cannot be decided in general by proof is
06600 obvious, and Godel didn't have to prove it. What Godel prove is that
06700 even in certain cases where the truth of all propositions is
06800 determined by the meaning of the terms, there does not exist a
06900 formal system with a recursivel enumerable set of axioms and
07000 computable rules of inference in which all true propositions are
07100 provable. It is not clear that you make any use of this result.
07200 In fact, it seems that you don't understand the result, because
07300 you use the word "analytic" to mean "decideable" whereas Godel's
07400 theorem essentially asserts that for any formal system of arithmetic,
07500 there are analytic sentences undecideable in that formalism.
07600
07700 9. In the sense in which the terms are used in logic, there
07800 are two versions of Godel's theorem, a semantic version and
07900 a purely syntactic version.
08000
08100 10. Oh dear, you really have to learn more mathematical logic.
08200 Why do you say "survey", when the logicians have shown how
08300 to define the truth in certain theories, especially those
08400 expressed in first or higher order predicate calculus where
08500 there exist well known notions of interpretations of sets
08600 of predicate and function symbols in terms of which truth is
08700 defined. The truth of formulas of arithmetic is defined with
08800 respect to a "standard" interpretation of the predicate and
08900 function symbols of arithmetic. The provability of classes
09000 of true sentences is then a definite if not always decideable
09100 question.
09200
09300 11. It's not a square, it's a rectangle.
09400